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All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....
By Andrew Pollack on 09/02/2007 at 10:24 PM EDTIts months away, but the planning is in gear so I thought I'd jump in here with the top item on my wish list. I've given feedback like this privately to a few people; but its time to ask for in a more public way.
( EDIT NOTE: I am specifically referring to using the Eclipse Based Lotus Notes client to access data stored on a Domino Server)
I want to go at least one, maybe as many as three serious sessions about creating new style applications for Domino in the Eclipse Framework. Here's the rub though -- I want those sessions to focus entirely on coding these nice new UI capabilities for accessing data in DOMINO. If Workplace, Websphere, DB2, or Portal is mentioned I'm likely to walk out of the room. There is no need to talk about too many new things at once, and those things are not core to the key understanding I want for working at a code level for Notes in Eclipse.
Thoughts? Disagree?
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By Mike Sweeney on 09/02/2007 at 11:59 PM EDT
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By Nathan T. Freeman on 09/03/2007 at 07:51 AM EDT
Andrew, if you want to learn to make new UIs to access Domino data, why not
just come to the Interface Matters sessions with me and Chris Blatnick? Or, if
it gets accepted, come to the Nate & Tim's Excellent Adventure session?
As I said in last year's presentation: while there are lots of great things you
can do with the new capabilities in 8, it's unlikely that you're fully
exploiting the capabilities of 6 or 7.
just come to the Interface Matters sessions with me and Chris Blatnick? Or, if
it gets accepted, come to the Nate & Tim's Excellent Adventure session?
As I said in last year's presentation: while there are lots of great things you
can do with the new capabilities in 8, it's unlikely that you're fully
exploiting the capabilities of 6 or 7.
Careful you don't break your arm, Nathan....By Andrew Pollack on 09/03/2007 at 03:41 PM EDT
...I mean with all the patting yourself on the back.
Seriously though -- while your UI techniques really help people push the limits
of what can be done in pure notes/domino; The Eclipse framework offers
opportunities you simply cannot do without it.
Working with the Eclipse framework is an entirely different set of design
patterns, and so is wholly a different topic from what you've done at LS in the
past.
Seriously though -- while your UI techniques really help people push the limits
of what can be done in pure notes/domino; The Eclipse framework offers
opportunities you simply cannot do without it.
Working with the Eclipse framework is an entirely different set of design
patterns, and so is wholly a different topic from what you've done at LS in the
past.
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By Rob McDonagh on 09/03/2007 at 09:25 AM EDT
Absolutely. That would be fantastic. Show the benefits of Eclipse with pure
Domino.
You know what else I'd like to see, while we're on the subject? A UI-off (heh)
between an Eclipse/Expeditor developer and Nathan (using nothing but Notes 8
"Classic"). Then let the audience pick the winner...
Domino.
You know what else I'd like to see, while we're on the subject? A UI-off (heh)
between an Eclipse/Expeditor developer and Nathan (using nothing but Notes 8
"Classic"). Then let the audience pick the winner...
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By Nathan T. Freeman on 09/03/2007 at 09:41 AM EDT
LMAO
Oh, I would do that in a MINUTE. But I can't imagine we'd be able to squeeze
that into an hour.
Oh, I would do that in a MINUTE. But I can't imagine we'd be able to squeeze
that into an hour.
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By Craig Wiseman on 09/03/2007 at 10:52 AM EDT
I'm sure you could sqeeze your stuff into an hour, Mr. Freeman, the eclipse
guy/gal, I'm not so sure....
guy/gal, I'm not so sure....
If the right person helped pick what was built to show off the Eclipse stuff, you'd loose.By Andrew Pollack on 09/03/2007 at 03:50 PM EDT
Of course, a lot more is known about what is impressive to do in Notes (things
people don't think you can) and you've had years to perfect the technique.
If you pair me up with someone who really knows how to do the Eclipse framework
development (which I have not even investigated yet) I guarantee you'd loose in
a landslide -- and I'd bet dinner at the Flying Fish on the outcome.
A simple BOF in which you show off what you've done and so does the Eclipse
based team with an audience applause determining what looks cool would be
interesting.
It is absolutely true that the Eclipse work will take more time. How much more
is yet to be seen I think. It is also true that it will likely always be so.
Again, the amount will be interesting to see. It is also true that experience
like yours combined with tried and perfect demos so you know what people are
impressed by just doesn't exist yet for the Eclipse work. It's going to take
time for that.
people don't think you can) and you've had years to perfect the technique.
If you pair me up with someone who really knows how to do the Eclipse framework
development (which I have not even investigated yet) I guarantee you'd loose in
a landslide -- and I'd bet dinner at the Flying Fish on the outcome.
A simple BOF in which you show off what you've done and so does the Eclipse
based team with an audience applause determining what looks cool would be
interesting.
It is absolutely true that the Eclipse work will take more time. How much more
is yet to be seen I think. It is also true that it will likely always be so.
Again, the amount will be interesting to see. It is also true that experience
like yours combined with tried and perfect demos so you know what people are
impressed by just doesn't exist yet for the Eclipse work. It's going to take
time for that.
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By Bob Balaban on 09/03/2007 at 03:18 PM EDT
Heck, that's EASY! Why would you even think that would be controversial? I
expect to see several sessions (Jumpstart(s), AppDev track, even Hands-on
lab(s)) on this. It's pretty obvious we have to do this.
And, by the way, there's already a whole bunch of written material on
DeveloperWorks and various blogs on this topic.
expect to see several sessions (Jumpstart(s), AppDev track, even Hands-on
lab(s)) on this. It's pretty obvious we have to do this.
And, by the way, there's already a whole bunch of written material on
DeveloperWorks and various blogs on this topic.
I think, based on past performance, By Andrew Pollack on 09/04/2007 at 05:28 PM EDT
..that IBM finds it very hard to resist pushing the other platforms overly
hard. I don't want that issue confusing what is a critical learning period for
the new client.
hard. I don't want that issue confusing what is a critical learning period for
the new client.
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By Bruce Elgort on 09/03/2007 at 08:12 PM EDT
Andrew,
You mention Domino.... do you really mean you want to learn to develop Eclipse
based Notes applications?
You mention Domino.... do you really mean you want to learn to develop Eclipse
based Notes applications?
Yes, I am specifically referring to using the Eclipse Based Lotus Notes client to access data stored on a Domino ServerBy Andrew Pollack on 09/04/2007 at 05:26 PM EDT
I said Domino, meaning the Domino Server, but the application platform I have
in mind is the Full Notes Client's Eclipse framework
in mind is the Full Notes Client's Eclipse framework
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By Bob Balfe on 09/04/2007 at 08:37 AM EDT
So what exactly are you looking for? Showing Domino applications in the Notes
client via an embedded browser? Is it off line Domino applications you are
looking for? Remember, Eclipse is running on the client - not the server.
We are tackling many areas in this space right now - actually Bob Balaban is
the lead tackler. Today, Notes 8 can show compiled JSP's, Portlets, HTML, and
WSRP in the client - all bundled as Eclipse plugins and can be shown side by
side with NSF components.
So what do you really mean by "Domino in the Eclipse framework"?
Bob
client via an embedded browser? Is it off line Domino applications you are
looking for? Remember, Eclipse is running on the client - not the server.
We are tackling many areas in this space right now - actually Bob Balaban is
the lead tackler. Today, Notes 8 can show compiled JSP's, Portlets, HTML, and
WSRP in the client - all bundled as Eclipse plugins and can be shown side by
side with NSF components.
So what do you really mean by "Domino in the Eclipse framework"?
Bob
I mean Eclipse Notes Client, connecting to Domino Server By Andrew Pollack on 09/04/2007 at 05:29 PM EDT
I say Domino server specifically meaning NOT portal, WAS, or DB2.
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By Jo Grant on 09/04/2007 at 10:01 AM EDT
Hey Andrew,
Search Sandbox for the "Lead Manager" composite application sample. The front
page of the application uses an Eclipse control as a navigator to search and
selectively choose what Notes data is displayed. Is that the sort of thing you
are looking for? Source code is included.
There are a number of articles on their way to developer works. One, indeed,
is on "Design Patterns for Composite Apps", but it talks about patterns for
components, pages and applications, not specifically interesting ways to
front-end domino hosted data. Similarly the article on writing Eclipse
components mostly goes through the mechanics of creating an Eclispe component.
Let me see if there is time/space to add a section on referencing the Java
APIs. There is a big one on creating Notes components, but that's just how to
make a good component view from existing Notes assets.
I'll make you a deal though. If you write the title and 70 word abstract for
the Lotusphere session you want to see I'll submit it and give it if approved.
:-)
Cheers,
Jo
Search Sandbox for the "Lead Manager" composite application sample. The front
page of the application uses an Eclipse control as a navigator to search and
selectively choose what Notes data is displayed. Is that the sort of thing you
are looking for? Source code is included.
There are a number of articles on their way to developer works. One, indeed,
is on "Design Patterns for Composite Apps", but it talks about patterns for
components, pages and applications, not specifically interesting ways to
front-end domino hosted data. Similarly the article on writing Eclipse
components mostly goes through the mechanics of creating an Eclispe component.
Let me see if there is time/space to add a section on referencing the Java
APIs. There is a big one on creating Notes components, but that's just how to
make a good component view from existing Notes assets.
I'll make you a deal though. If you write the title and 70 word abstract for
the Lotusphere session you want to see I'll submit it and give it if approved.
:-)
Cheers,
Jo
I'll take you up on that, Jo. By Andrew Pollack on 09/04/2007 at 05:30 PM EDT
I have your email from previous conversations and will follow up when I get
back from my current trip.
back from my current trip.
re: All I want for Lotusphere 2008 is a.....By devin olson on 09/11/2007 at 06:18 AM EDT
Absolutely agree. Workplace, Websphere, Connections, etc are all very, very
cool and do have their place; but I make my living writing Lotus Notes and
Lotus Domino applications.
This is my primary focus, this is what puts food on my table. The other stuff
is interesting to me, but is ancillary.
-Devin.
cool and do have their place; but I make my living writing Lotus Notes and
Lotus Domino applications.
This is my primary focus, this is what puts food on my table. The other stuff
is interesting to me, but is ancillary.
-Devin.
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